Episode 36: Body Hair - Who Cares?

Episode 36

Let's be honest, the expectation for women to alleviate their bodies of hair is REAL and just another notch on the belts of the patriarchy. 

This week Anne and Peggy chat about what and why they do and don't shave/wax/laser while trying to unpack the societal pressures of being a female identifying person in 2018. 

Anne also shares how important it is to diversify the kind of media you are consuming to show you that you don't have to pigeon hole yourselves in these antiquated feminine norms. So she shouts out some killer insta accounts to get you started including: @butchtransgirls @nyanzad_ @bodiposipanda @reclaimyourpower @h_e_r_s_t_o_r_y @nalgonapositivitypride

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Beats used in this episode are:

  • HAIR by Lady Gaga
  • Hair by the Original Broadway Cast of Hair the Musical
  • I'm Gonna Wash That Man Right Out Of My Hair by The Weather Girls
  • I Am Woman by Helen Reddy
  • I Am Not My Hair by India Arie ft. P!nk

Episode 35: Vote or Die

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On Thursday June 7th, do you know where you need to be? You need to be in a voting booth! Well if you are a resident of Ontario, that's where you need to be. If not, just sit back and relax while Ontario tries not to elect another Ford (what the actual fuck).

Do you need help finding out your polling station? Go here! Do you need help figuring out what you need to vote? Go here! Do you need help figuring out who to vote for? Go here... Okay, fine, you can go here (but choices matter). Do you think voting is for losers? Go here! Do you want to listen to two defeated feminists talk about the Ontario election? Listen here!

That's right Anne and Peggy talk about the rise of Doug Ford (spoiler alert: racism and sexism is involved), the fall of Kathleen Wynne (spoiler alert: sexism and heterosexism is involved), the platforms of the only two parties with a fighting chance (NDP and... PC... I guess), voter information, and finally, coping with a Doug Ford win. Yeah, the last part is depressing but stay tuned if NDP wins, we will have a whole new ending. It's like all of Ontario is reading one of those choose your own adventure Goosebumps books... oh god... pray we don't get eaten by your teacher who turns out to be a werewolf. 


-Raging Grannies - Harper's Agenda

-The Runaways - Cherry Bomb

-Closet Monster - Smells Like Revolutionary Spirit

Episode 34: Money Talks

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First off - BILL COSBY IS GOING TO JAIL! Round of applause and snaps. Secondly, apologies for the delay with this episode but we had some medical complications to deal with and we gotta put our bodies first. After Peggy's precious Dating Episode, Anne presents Money Talks - Capitalism and Feminism. Anne has wanted to do an episode about Capitalism since Underwire's inception. Her passion to destroy this capitalist society and work to lift those oppressed by the state and institutionalized poverty is potent. 

In this episode Anne and Peggy talk definitions, who controls what (white men), social assistance, classism's intrinsic link to capitalism, class jumping, what's fair and what's not and how to support local instead of Mr. Money. Big shout out to our local, babely friends at Temper Tantrum who've curated multi-vendor online marketplace that supports self-identifying women artists who are creatively outspoken. Check them out!

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Music in this episode:

  • Money Money Money by ABBA
  • Material Girl by Madonna
  • Bitch Better Have My Money by Rihanna
  • Hand$hake$ by Metric

Episode 33: Dating Feminists

Episode 33: Dating Feminists


I've been single for more or less ever and needed a place to talk with my crew about the woof woof woes of living in the world of dating. I spoke to my fellow single and looking friend Amy, the "it's complicated - I'm in a thing but we're not exclusive but I wouldn't sleep with someone else" Angelica, taken but casually Zee, as well as Roberta who dates multiple people and is seeing someone but they're not and probably won't be official. Dating is a complex motherfucker and I wanted to see how my fellow feminists do it to see if I could learn anything.

I talked to these queens about using or not using dating apps like tinder, bumble, hinge, her. How you measure a partner's "wokeness" before meeting or during dates. Where to go on dates. What not to do on dates. et-fricken-cetera. 

Let us know how you date as an intersectional feminist!

xx Peggy


Beats used in this episode:

  • "Someone To Call My Lover" - Janet Jackson
  • "Single Ladies" - Beyonce
  • "32 Flavours" - Ani DiFranco
  • "Date With The Night" - Yeah Yeah Yeahs
  • "No Scrub" - TLC
  • "I Like You So Much Better When You’re Naked" - Ida Maria
  • "Worship" - Lizzo
  • "One Evening" - Feist
  • "Love On The Brain" - Rihanna

Training Bro: Let's Talk About Aziz

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The ladies of T.O.FemCo have a new segment called Training Bro, where we talk to boys/men/dudes/bros of all kinds about a particular issue, problem, scandal, question, or whatever. 

I came up with the idea when I was (very casually) seeing a guy (Paul, a pseudonym) who considered and proudly called himself a "cuter version of Aziz." He is a "creative" who loves pasta, is very cute, aaaaand he's of South Asian descent. When January befell us like the piece of shit month that it is, babe.net published this story from a woman who went on a date with Aziz Ansari and it turned gross. After reading the story I called my boo of the moment and asked him if I could interview him about what it felt like knowing his feminist South Asian icon Aziz had shown his true colours. Luckily, he said yes. 

If you don't know, Aziz Ansari is a comedian, writer, director and "feminist" known for playing Tom Haverford on NBC's Parks and Recreation and writing, directing and starring in his own Emmy-winning Netflix show Master of None. He wrote a book about dating in the modern world, Modern Romance: An Investigation 2015. (This book just so happened to be on Paul's bedside table). 

This fall, Aziz won the Best Actor in a TV comedy Golden Globe making him the first Asian-American actor ever to win a Golden Globe for acting in television. That same night he met a woman at an after party. They hit it off and planned to go out when they were both back in New York. What unfolded was the terrible/uncomfortable/unsettling/creepy date where Aziz pressured Grace (a pseudonym) to go down on him and have sex when she explicitly said she didn't want to that is described in Katie Way's babe.net story. If you haven't read it, have yourself an upsetting half hour and give it a read

As I mentioned before, Aziz is a self-identified feminist. In 2015 he said this about sexual harassment and sexism while talking to David Letterman: 
"I thought it was interesting that this is happening, yet so many people are unaware of it. And the problem is people aren't talking about it. What I've learned, as a guy, is to just ask women questions and listen to what they have to say. Go to your group of female friends and ask them about times they've experienced sexism at their job, and you'll get blown away by the things they tell you."

Reading that quote after reading Grace's account of what happened on her date with Aziz makes me so angry. So many guys love to pretend that they care when it's all total crap. The problem is that they believe their own story. They believe they are the solution, not the problem. They believe and want you to jump onboard their "woke-bae" penis and ride it into intersectional feminist bliss. 

I was excited and nervous when Paul agreed to let me interview him and what came out was an interesting and honest talk about representation and about misogyny. I give the controversial statement that I don't think and that I don't want Aziz to be done making shit cause I love his shit. I believe he can change and see how fucked up his actions were. I believe that this testimonial from a badass woman who asserted herself has and will change the conversation about power in relationships and gender roles. And I believe and I hope that Aziz wants to be better and change. Only time will tell. 

At this point Paul and I have long parted ways but I'd like to thank him for sitting down and having a conversation, for being honest and allowing his vulnerability show.  

xo Peggy

P.S. -- Let us know what you think of the new episode and if you've experienced something similar to the date Grace had with Aziz. I know I have.